Friggin Lorcins!!!!!

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Re: Friggin Lorcins!!!!!

Postby 84minieldo » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:57 pm

... .32 sear .. I know u got a bunch and I figured I'd throw an idea out at least
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Re: Friggin Lorcins!!!!!

Postby David Vincent » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:19 pm

two other sears look like they could work. The lorcin l32 and the l22. L32 has arms which are a bit too long and would need to be trimmed. The L22 looks good but like the j32 is a bit tall so it would need to be trimmed down.

Trouble I ran into. The curved top of the sear kind of locking the shaft of the fireing pin was great. I matched it perfectly and it gave a lot more contact area for a nice positive engagement especially after polishing the rough casting in that area of the FP. Nothing major just crocus cloth and hand turning to remove roughness and any extreme high spots. Where the problem arose was the fact that the sear comes into contact with the zoft zamak breach face internally. It was leaving marks that concerned me and i think long term would damage that area beyond normal zamak wear. Not if the lorcin had a steel breech plug it would be a different ball game. i am going to attempt this again when i get to working on SNS guns with the steal plug. This extended contact area from sear to FP in combination with a longer trigger pull through modifying the cam, and a stronger sear spring should work in theory..... Giving a little more safety. You are a little limited by how long you can go with the trigger pull because of the magazine coming into contact with the trigger bar. I was getting what. wanted with the long pull when there was no magazine in place but once I place a magazine in the well the trigger would stop short of the release. Then i though a triple K magazine in the well and the striker would once again release the FP as intended. The tripple K lorcin mags are quite a bit thinner from front to back in the magwell and really dont fit very well. They are functional... just loose.

lorcin guns are just not the right guns for the mod though mainly due to the lack of a steel plug in the breech. There might be a way through limiting slide movement a little through some sort of slide buffer system and i have some ideas..... but right now I just going to work on trying to solve the safety issue through the safety itself instead of the fire control parts. now the problem is not the safety itself but the frame recess being oversized. Got some ideas rolling around but I have not comitted to one yet. I will go into them later as right now I am dealing with the kids.

I will note that all four of my lorcin lt25 frames are the same so its a problem that seems to be consistent. If any of you pick up an LT25 I would check that area and deffinately dont trust the safety until you do.

This is all one of the reasons I prefer sliding bar safeties on SNS guns as apposed to the disc safeties. The bar safeties are easier to fix by far and if something is really far out of whack....you can easily make one. They are just a stronger safety than discs or arm levers in every way.
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Re: Friggin Lorcins!!!!!

Postby pockets » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:57 am

Luckily, the safety design has no affect on the mighty Lorcin's primary role as a 'throwing star'.
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Postby FergusonTO35 » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:40 am

I always thought that a Lorcin would not look out of place in the holster of a Klingon. 8-)
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Re: Friggin Lorcins!!!!!

Postby pockets » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:45 am

FergusonTO35 wrote:I always thought that a Lorcin would not look out of place in the holster of a Klingon. 8-)


NIvbogh nuH mamob'a' vISov, Lorcin !


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Re: Friggin Lorcins!!!!!

Postby Kiln » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:59 am

Myself I kind of like the "space gun" look, as a member of HPFF calls it.
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Re: Friggin Lorcins!!!!!

Postby FergusonTO35 » Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:01 am

FergusonTO35 wrote:I always thought that a Lorcin would not look out of place in the holster of a Klingon. 8-)


NIvbogh nuH mamob'a' vISov, Lorcin !


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A Lorcin is a big, all metal gun with lots of pointy bits sticking out. I imagine it would be quite useful in hand to hand combat, where Klingons use the dagger and bat'leth. A Bat'Lor, perhaps? :idea:
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Re: Friggin Lorcins!!!!!

Postby David Vincent » Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:00 pm

The looks are not the problem.

The problem is .... they blow up, no accuracy due to smooth bore barrels, and my favorite ..... they break when you try to fix them.

Lets not forget about those cosmetic placebo safeties.

Honestly... the only SNS thats worse is the sedco. Literally every part on that gun is crap. Slides are ultra fragile even for a 22lr. Grips are paper thin plastic that cracks if you look at it funny. Sights are so bad its impossible to dial them in and you cant see them anyways unless you have telescopes for eyes. The overall fitting of the gun is so bad that it just does not want to function.

Best way to get a working sedco is to buy a jennings j22 and write sedco on the slide. Think of the fact that you actually have visible sights as an upgrade. also an upgrade that it actually will function with some tweaking good ammo. and If you want it streamlined just file the sights off the j22. You can tweak a sedco for eternity and it still wont work. If you by some miracle do get it to function then it will fall apart before you finish one box of ammo.

Sedcos are the clerke of SNS semi autos. They belong in the same group as the Talon suicide T200 9mm and the Standard arms SA9 9mm with its pre-cracked subframe LOL. That one was a real beauty.... they couldnt keep the frame from cracking so they just incorporated it into the design. Even more hilarious is that the Standard arms was made in 9mm and 40S&W!!! Honestly...anyone who sold those guns should have been nice to the customer and just kicked them in the nuts so hard that the customer could not ever shoot a firearm again. It would have saved lives.

Maybe they got the idea from sedco.... The guns crack and fracture so fast so just make it so they dont work and can never be shot. Great Idea!!!

Talon Suicide guns take the cake for worst SNS in my opinion. They will literally decapitate the shooter. Zamak slide locked breech 9mm.... brilliant!!! Thank god they went out of business before they were offered in 40s&w.

Believe it or not Lorcins are actually a step up from Talon, sedco, and standard arms guns.

Now myself i actually like lorcins but i will never ever recommend one even to a tinkerbell. They are major headaches to fix all of the manufacturing defects and get them reasonably safe. You have to know what your doing and be extremely diligent in inspecting and maintaining them. They are very high maintenance SNS guns. They do have an interesting history (mainly due to Waldorf) and some of them are kind of rare. The rarest of all being the non serial numbered guns that were smuggled out of the factory and dumped onto the open market.

after owning, shooting, and working on nearly all of the SNS guns I only recommend a few of them...

Ravens
Davis p32
Jennings/bryco/jime-whatever j22 (only for plinking)
Hipoints

the rest are either too fragile due to weak areas of construction or just plain dont work requiring heavy maintenance and low round counts. By the time you pony up the money and have to replace a slide or two along with springs and other parts you could have just bought a fairly decent pistol that holds up, is much safer, more reliable, more accurate etc. etc.

Now there are a select few of us that seem to be obsessed with this junk but its both illogical and abnormal.

There are a lot of very solid good guns out there cheap.... but these are not those.

whats really scary is that a lot of manufacturers are starting to use zamak...high end ones. Guess what....they dont hold up either. Not even in 22lr.
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Re: Friggin Lorcins!!!!!

Postby FergusonTO35 » Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:17 am

I love how Jim feigned ignorance about the guns walking out of his shop when asked about it in an interview. He could've at least pretended to be sophisticated and said something like, "company policy is that we do not comment on pending legal matters, other than to say that Lorcin Engineering operates in strict compliance with all federal and state laws." Nope, the dumbass just said he knew nothing about it.
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