Loaded chamber carry

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Loaded chamber carry

Postby Don » Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:48 pm

I seem to recall this topic being covered already but I'm going to bring it up again cause I'm just a pain that way. Recently I have been wanting to use my carry permit but I either carry one of my revolvers or one of my SNS's with an empty chamber. This makes perfect sense to me with the Jennings/Jimenez guns because of the plastic safeties. However, my Cobra CA 32 has a metal safety and seems pretty positive in blocking the sear. I've tried cocking it, unloaded of course, and flopped it around on a table top and tugged on the trigger hard but I can't seem to get the firing pin to click. So here's my question, just how dangerous is it to carry one of these guns with one in the pipe with the safety on? I know the manufacturer warns not to do that but is that just to keep law suits away? I'm struggling with this because if I carry this gun a SHTF situation can occur quickly and I may not have the time to rack the slide or have two hands available to do it. What do you all think.

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Re: Loaded chamber carry

Postby 84minieldo » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:43 pm

When I do with my sns, which is often I just make sure it's not pointed at anything I don't mind losing..so no front waistband carry with one in the pipe, in other words...no accidental discharges yet..
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Re: Loaded chamber carry

Postby Kiln » Sat Nov 26, 2016 5:58 pm

I've carried them chambered with the safety on before. In order to get hurt the tip or arm of the sear sear would have to break off. If that happens the gun will fire so just know that while unlikely, these types of failures would get you seriously injured.
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Re: Loaded chamber carry

Postby adam01364 » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:00 pm

I suggest you do some practice drills pulling the gun out of the holster and racking the slide. It will become second nature soon enough.
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Re: Loaded chamber carry

Postby Dave_H » Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:21 am

I'd be reluctant. If you're going to carry its all the time, and
however unlikely a parts failure might be, the chance is more
than zero.
It's a risk of being caught unaware and not being able to pull
off an Israeli draw versus the accumulated chances of a failure
of a part causing an unintended discharge. That'd be the math
you'd have to do with a ROF gun.
I'd just carry something else for the most part, although the
JA-22 has made it into my pocket on rare occasions.
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Re: Loaded chamber carry

Postby FergusonTO35 » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:47 pm

The only thing preventing the gun from going bang is that little point of metal on top of the sear. I wouldn't trust any gun cocked and locked with only the sear preventing it from firing, regardless of who made it. Yes, that would include an older 1911 or Browning Hi-Power. This is 2016, not 1916, and there are too many guns to choose from with much safer designs. Another thing to remember is that with most ROF designs, if the takedown button breaks or disengages the slide can come up enough to allow the firing pin to go past the sear.
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Re: Loaded chamber carry

Postby Flowmaster » Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:47 am

What revolver(s) are you carrying? Most revolvers today have a transfer bar at the hammer so they're safe to carry with a full cylinder. Old single actions don't always have a transfer bar.
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Re: Loaded chamber carry

Postby Don » Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:10 pm

H&R .32 S&W long snub nose, H&R top break .38 S&W and a Rock Island Armory M200.

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Re: Loaded chamber carry

Postby Flowmaster » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:03 am

The Rock Island revolver has a transfer bar safety so its safe to carry that one with a full cylinder. The way the transfer bar works is that you have to have the trigger fully pulled and keep it pulled while the hammer falls. Keeping the trigger fully pulled moves the transfer bar out of the way so the hammer can strike fully. If you were to just drop the gun hammer-first or pound on the hammer with a block of wood you're not going to make it go bang because that transfer bar hasn't slipped out of the way to let the hammer go all the way forward.

I don't know about the presence of a transfer bar safety in your other guns though.
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Re: Loaded chamber carry

Postby pockets » Wed Nov 30, 2016 6:30 am

I do not carry most ZAMAK wonders with one in the chamber. Like some others, I don't trust a sear on guns designed at the cheapest possible price point.

Whenever I've carried a Sedco, J22, Raven, etc, I carry chamber empty, striker cocked.
Striker cocked saves time when racking the slide to chamber the first round (carrying empty chamber)....as you aren't pulling the striker spring back.
Lorcins; I would carry empty and just rely on all those sharp throwing star points! Or the assailant laughing so hard he can't move.

But I normally carry hammer-fired DA or DAO pistols (occasionally a hammer-fired SA in the form of a Beretta 950b).
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