Difference Between hp22a and hp25a

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Difference Between hp22a and hp25a

Postby conklin » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:39 pm

Is there any big difference between these phoenix pistols besides a different barrel? They look pretty exact. I recently picked up a hp22a and they had a hp25a but I went with the 22 because of ammo cost. I am thinking I made the right choice, but part of me was wanting the 25 because there just isn't many 25 acp pistols around anymore.

Also If they are pretty much the same exact thing would the 25 acp cause increased wear to the pistol or is it a moot point.
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Re: Difference Between hp22a and hp25a

Postby Kiln » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:08 pm

They have different slide/firing pin assemblies. Otherwise they're basically the exact same gun. The best .22lr ammo costs about $8 per 50 rounds, while .25acp runs at $15-20 per 50 and performs about the same as good .22lr.

I think you made the right choice. The .22lr is much more versatile and bulk ammo is relatively cheap when prices aren't being inflated by huge demand and scarce supply. The .25acp is always high regardless, the only benefits it has are that it is centerfire and often feeds better consistently because of the jacketed bullet.
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Re: Difference Between hp22a and hp25a

Postby adam01364 » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:13 pm

I'm still on the lookout for an HP-25 -for cheap, of course- since I have the rare .25ACP range kit for it. I was going to make an extended barrel Bauer but I didn't have the heart to sacrifice the 5" 25ACP barrel.
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Re: Difference Between hp22a and hp25a

Postby lost californian » Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:24 am

The frames are slightly different, too. You can't really just match a .22 slide to a .25 frame, or vice versa. There is extra pieces on the .25. Mousegunner had a photo essay on the differences, and if you search for his website, and the go looking thru it you can still find it. It shows the differences very well.

The one time I had to replace my .22 slide, Phoenix had me send in my old slide first, just to make sure I wasn't trying to use the wrong slide on the wrong frame.

Ah, read thru this and you can follow the links....

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Re: Difference Between hp22a and hp25a

Postby adam01364 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:03 pm

Hmm it looks like the Mousegun links have changed. The "New" (Old) Mouseguns site can be accessed here: http://www.southernoutdoorlife.com/mouseguns/index.htm
I'm really glad it have been preserved; some link appear broken though.

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Oh, boy are the links broken! I think I sorta figgered it out:

http://www.southernoutdoorlife.com/mous ... /hp22a.htm HP22 review
http://www.southernoutdoorlife.com/mous ... /hp25a.htm HP25 review (seems to be pics only)
http://www.southernoutdoorlife.com/mous ... /diffs.htm Differences between the HP22 + the HP25
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Re: Difference Between hp22a and hp25a

Postby conklin » Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:31 pm

thanks for the replies and links . It seems weird for the 25 to have to bolts on them. I wonder if the metal that the bolts screw into are steel instead of zamak to beef it up a bit. I got my hp22 for 139 and they have a hp 25 for same price. If its still there in afew months i might buy it for collection sake.
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Re: Difference Between hp22a and hp25a

Postby adam01364 » Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:10 pm

My HP25 range kit barrel does NOT have the bolt. Mousegunner may have been right in his assumption that Phoenix had some bad ones that were refurbed.
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Re: Difference Between hp22a and hp25a

Postby farmkid » Fri Nov 15, 2013 10:36 pm

Kiln wrote:...I think you made the right choice. The .22lr is much more versatile and bulk ammo is relatively cheap when prices aren't being inflated by huge demand and scarce supply. The .25acp is always high regardless, the only benefits it has are that it is centerfire and often feeds better consistently because of the jacketed bullet.


What Kiln says. Mind you, I'm hanging on to my Ravens, Sundances, Galesis, etc. for historical purposes, but I'm not picking up any new firearms in this calibre, as .25 ACP is weak, expensive, and obsolete. I like .22LR a lot, and for small-calibre centerfires, I'm moving on to .32.
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Re: Difference Between hp22a and hp25a

Postby FergusonTO35 » Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:15 am

I agree totally. I've always thought that the .25 could be a good micro CCW cartridge if the pressure was upped to about 20k and chambered in a strong gun. The small .32's of today obviate the possibility of that ever happening, however.
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Re: Difference Between hp22a and hp25a

Postby Kiln » Sat Nov 23, 2013 5:05 pm

The .25 NAA is basically what you just described isn't it?
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