Thinking about a Phoenix

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Thinking about a Phoenix

Postby Whiterook » Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:11 pm

Well been looking to pickup a cheap, backup handgun for a bug out back or hiking. I have good quality revolvers for serious hikes, this would be more something compact that is easy to hit with.

I have been thinking about something in .32 or .25. The Phoenix .25 caught my eye. I know the cartridge isn't the best but I had an old Spanish .25 years ago and used to be able to hit anything with it. As long as I can hit with it I am fine.

I like how mags are cheap to get and the pistol itself can be had for next to nothing.

My concerns are the problems I am reading with the frame cracking? Is this more of a use issue? If it is in .25 I don't plan on shooting it a ton due to price of ammo. That's fine with me.
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Re: Thinking about a Phoenix

Postby Kiln » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:45 pm

Yup. It takes a few thousand rounds to damage the frame. With the .25 auto I doubt you can afford to dcrack the frame, I know I can't!
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Re: Thinking about a Phoenix

Postby adam01364 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 6:30 am

I haven't read of anyone cracking the frame on the HP25. Might be because they don't get shot nearly as often as the HP22 for reasons pointed out by Kiln.

But if you're looking for an inexpensive .25 plinker to carry, have you considered a Raven? They are approximately the same size and weight as your old Spanish .25, parts are abundant, mags can be found cheap, they are beautifully simple, and I've found them to be fairly accurate.
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Re: Thinking about a Phoenix

Postby Whiterook » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:21 am

adam01364 wrote:I haven't read of anyone cracking the frame on the HP25. Might be because they don't get shot nearly as often as the HP22 for reasons pointed out by Kiln.

But if you're looking for an inexpensive .25 plinker to carry, have you considered a Raven? They are approximately the same size and weight as your old Spanish .25, parts are abundant, mags can be found cheap, they are beautifully simple, and I've found them to be fairly accurate.


I certainly would! Sadly my local shops don't seem to carry them and if I find any online by the time I get it here I might as well just get the Phoenix.
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Re: Thinking about a Phoenix

Postby FordMan59 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:36 am

Most of the reviews I've read on Phoenix is that the frame cracks usually develop at 3K+ rounds. I have a couple of the Phoenix HP22A's. They haven't got that many rounds through them yet so I haven't seen any signs of cracking. I also change the recoil spring in my .22's ever 500 rounds hoping that will help prevent cracking. If you do buy a Phoenix and want to change the recoil spring every few hundred rounds they will send them to you free under the lifetime warranty. When I requested a recoil spring they sent me a package with 5 new springs in it. I will tell you getting hold of Phoenix on the phone is usually quite a task, but they are good about sending out parts you need no questions asked and probably are just as good about repairing/replacing pistols under their lifetime warranty. If it were me I'd get the .22 instead of the .25, it would be much cheaper to shoot and you could plink/practice more with it. Every time I take something out to shoot the Phoenix usually goes too. Often when I shoot the Phoenix is the only thing I shoot because it's fun and cheap to shoot. The extra safeties can be done away with on the Phoenix but it voids the lifetime warranty. I haven't done away with them on mine, it's not that bad once you get used to how they function. If you buy a .22 Phoenix recommends only using standard velocity 1050-1150 fps. ammo. Out of such a short barrel I'm not sure high velocity ammo in the 1250 fps range would hurt anything, but I'd be very cautious about using hyper velocity.
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Re: Thinking about a Phoenix

Postby Cornhusker_Joe » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:23 pm

I certainly enjoy my HP22. I've put a few 1,000 rounds through it and haven't had the frame crack. I do replace the recoil springs occasionally, but I asked for "a" replacement and received 6 (I think). I did have a slide failure, and it was promptly replaced by Phoenix. It is very fun to shoot and fairly accurate.
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Re: Thinking about a Phoenix

Postby 84minieldo » Tue Mar 07, 2017 7:24 pm

Got two..22s..one new one from here ..2 of each barrels several mags and rtbs lrho in a couple of the mags...iircni still havent shot the one I hit from BJJA....
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Re: Thinking about a Phoenix

Postby adam01364 » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:54 pm

Whiterook wrote:
adam01364 wrote:have you considered a Raven?
I certainly would! Sadly my local shops don't seem to carry them and if I find any online by the time I get it here I might as well just get the Phoenix.
How much does your FFL charge for transfers?
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Re: Thinking about a Phoenix

Postby Whiterook » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:31 pm

adam01364 wrote:
Whiterook wrote:
adam01364 wrote:have you considered a Raven?
I certainly would! Sadly my local shops don't seem to carry them and if I find any online by the time I get it here I might as well just get the Phoenix.
How much does your FFL charge for transfers?


$25

The more you guys post the more you make me want one. I still am leaning toward a .25. I have a SW22A1 and a NEF922 to plink .22 with.

I also find the .25 easy to shoot.
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Re: Thinking about a Phoenix

Postby Flowmaster » Tue Mar 07, 2017 9:41 pm

I have an HP22A and its been a great gun. Mine has a micro-groove style barrel in it, similar to what you'd see on Marlin/Glenfield rifles. Mine is plenty accurate and it has been reliable. I'm still stunned that Phoenix can put out a product with that many parts and that many features at such a low price. A single action trigger, a real hammer that you can cock, and multiple safeties all for a good price.

I have a drop-free magazine which has a metal base plate. The mag I have with a plastic base plate won't drop free from the gun. A little bit of file work on the inside of the magwell or on the exterior surfaces of the magazine may help it drop free.

The Phoenix 22 holds 10 rounds of 22LR in the mag and the HP25 holds 9 rounds in the mag so capacity is something to think about.

For other guns, I was going to suggest maybe looking at a Taurus PT 25 for not much more money (a little over $200 brand new), but then I saw the Taurus also has the same 9 round magazine capacity. The trigger on the Taurus 25 is soooo long and double action only every single pull. A Jimenez Arms JA25 would be similarly priced to a Phoenix HP25.

I got the 22 because I found a used one at a very good price of $60 at a local gun show. No box, some wear, but whatever. It works and that's all I really care about. I bought that 22 because it basically fell into my lap. I would still buy a 25 though as I handload for 25acp and that makes the ammo much cheaper for me.

Ammo is getting cheaper, I've seen 25acp in person for as little as thirteen bucks per box of 50 rounds at the big gun shows. I think some ammo vendors are starting to dump inventory at cost just to pay the bills, that's really cheap. If you want to buy 25acp in bulk, check out SGammo.com, they have 1,000 rounds of 25acp for $259 right now which works out to $13 per box. They were reasonable on shipping the last time I ordered from them.

Buds gun shop has the Phoenix HP25 for $119 including shipping to your dealer. Add to that the $25 transfer fee you said your local dealer charges you and you're done. As long as you're not in Kentucky (where Bud's is based) you aren't paying sales tax.
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